Memorie.al / The document of the meeting dated December 14, 1990, i.e. 33 years ago, held in the office of Ramiz Ali at the headquarters of the Central Committee of the ALP is published, where, in addition to the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Labor Party of Albania, and at the same time the Chairman of the Presidium of the People’s Assembly of the People’s Republic of Albania, Ramiz Alia, the Minister of the Interior, Hekuran Isai (who was also the secretary of the Central Committee of the ALP), as well as Xhelil Gjoni, also participated , the secretary of the Central Committee of the ALP. As we will see from the document in question, which was taken as a transcript, the head of the Albanian state, Ramiz Alia, in this meeting, talks with his subordinates, the Minister of Internal Affairs Hekuran Isai and Xhelil Gjon, the secretary of the PPSh Central Committee. -‘s, regarding the situation created throughout the country, after the creation of the first opposition party (Democratic Party), only two days ago, on December 12, 1990, as well as the measures that they planned to take, to stop the large protests that were being held by the opposition in some of the country’s largest cities, which had started in Shkodër and were expected to take place in Elbasan, Durrës, Kavajë, Laç, etc. The document was received in the Central State Archive, the fund of the former Central Committee of the ALP and is published in full, according to the original that is in this fund.
(Conversation of friend Ramiz Alia with friends Hekuran Isai and Xhelil Gjoni, on 14.12.1990)
“The events in Shkodër and elsewhere, part of a hostile plan”
The conversation takes place in the office of friend Ramiz Alia, after the serious events that took place in the city of Shkodra. After comrade Hekuran Isai made a brief appearance about the events of Shkodra, this conversation took place between the participants:
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Isn’t it possible for news reporters to reflect the events on their cameras
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Telechronists do not receive, they avoid.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Do you see it?! The televronist can’t get them in Shkodër…?!
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Our friends told him, take the thieves on film, but he said; they go out in the dark, let the TV anchor of the Branch take them. Yes, the camera that the Branch employee has, three meters away, receives, I told him.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: He is afraid. But why, apart from you, all of Shkodër, 200 communists came to the Party Committee.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: …And they didn’t go inside.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: No, you’re going out there, you’re going to fight, but to go out to fight; you’ll have a stick with you. I don’t understand why we only ask for rubber sticks. In Bird’s time, officers carried leather whips. Why aren’t they made of them?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: We have a rubber friend.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: How much do you have, 100 sticks? You should also have 2000 for the civil forces, so that the workers, the communists come out with those in their hands and fight you, he is a bastard. Against these people, it must. Why wait for the army to enter? The army with weapons cannot enter. If he has the whip in his hand, it goes in enough to whip them well and doesn’t kill them. The Rubber company in Durrës can’t make rubber whips?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: We do it there, if the army has to do it too. All our forces are equipped with these.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Others should have it too.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Yes, they haven’t thought of it.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: I know they haven’t thought about it, but now they have to.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: They always produce.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: The issue is that from Elbasan, it will start in Durrës. In Durrës, Kavaja will be widowed. And it is not surprising that they also enter the ‘Block’ there. Rest House of the Ministry of the Interior and the Army, are they working now?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: I don’t know. Good day, its work in the evening, to Elbasan.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: No, they should not be left until dinner.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: As Sula (Sulejman Pepa, first secretary of the Elbasan District Party Committee) said, many have gathered?
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: There are magicians – he said. What about the magicians, gather all the administrations, I told him.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Do they have loudspeakers so they can talk?
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: They have, they are coming out with them. They also have an assault brigade there.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: The police are talking to them.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: I say to these magicians. Do they have brigades?
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: Yes, they have and they mobilized three battalions. And the extremist forces have an organization, they have a central headquarters.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: I said it yesterday too, that in these events the hand of Yugoslavia is completely. This is a very organized plan. Here, from there wait in Durrës, wait in Laç. Everything will be done around Tirana. After that, wait in Vlora. No, it’s okay. We will suffer this pressure, it is inevitable, therefore, as I told you yesterday, the mobilization of forces from Skrapar onwards must be raised.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: They have been set up, as long as the battalions come for this work. Last night we raised the Guard battalions.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Yes, they have to act quickly and settle in points to be ready. Yes, they will not enter, empty handed.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: No, they will enter with cocoons, with guards with sticks. I received 9 thousand kits.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Don’t keep them in storage, they should be distributed.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: We are giving it to the forces. We went to Shkodër. I am seeing how things are, I took 800 people, and they made arrests.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: We don’t even have transport vehicles.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: We don’t have an air force; the helicopter takes four people, while those of the army take 10 people each. 25 helicopters, of 10 people, can take 250 people.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: No, they can go directly, because it is dangerous, a disaster could happen.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: By helicopter, he goes to Shkodër for half an hour.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: You have the helicopters, but are they ready?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Yes, 10 people in a helicopter, they can die.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: What about the plane itself?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: There is nowhere to go down.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: He can go down to the field of Shtoi, but now it has rained and it is difficult.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Yes and the plane do not take much.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: It can take 30 people.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: The government plane?
Comrade Ramiz Alia: But why, we’ll leave them alone?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Yes, we haven’t used them in a while.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Okay, go follow him now with Kiço, (Kiço Mustaqi, and Minister of People’s Defense), look, speed up the processes, because Elbasan is yes, but keep your mind on Durrës, Kavajë, Laç.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: It looks like everyone will pass this wave.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: All will pass.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: They say; why don’t you cowards move?!
Comrade Ramiz Alia: We will now start using force as well. The news must be given in advance, that the police are continuing to keep their cool; the first part. Then the second part, intervene decisively and can shoot in an organized manner. Even in Shkodër they shot, it is impossible not to have shot.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: If they had shot you, I would have said so.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Yes, it is not possible; he shot with a stun gun, because there are 14 people injured with weapons.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Comrade Ramiz, if they had shot you…?! He may have shot someone individually, I don’t undertake to say, when there was a danger to his life and he may have put it in his leg or where he shot him.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: More everywhere, he has fallen. And he has done well, for me, because in these cases it is necessary.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Yes, there was no death, it is important.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: I told those from the newspaper and the youth.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: You understand, but who understands us?!
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Do you have tear gas?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: No, we don’t. I took to China to get it, but they have not arrived.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Oh, how come they come from China? Kichua told me that some have been produced here, but they haven’t done the tests, that they are harmful. Of course they are harmful, because they are made with poison.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: They did experiments, but not to use them. Even the armored personnel carriers that Kichua introduced did not.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Armored personnel carriers, but from the outside it is like a tank with a chain, it takes five or six people inside. Yes, they were riding on it. The youth rode on the tank and we didn’t shoot them.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Of course, when you don’t shoot, he does. It’s just that tanks are for tearing through crowds. Communist people must go after the tanks and after they split up, small groups must be destroyed, because that’s not how it’s done. Democrats are scared. Liseni (first secretary of the Central Committee of the Union of Labor Youth of Albania) came to me now, and he told me that Azemi (chairman of the initiatory committee for the creation of the Democratic Party) had called him. He had told him; they want us to appear on television, to say that this is the hand of the Serbs. You didn’t tell him, I asked Lisen, how do you know he’s a Serb?
Comrade Hekuran Isai: Last night the Imam did not speak badly on television.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: No, he spoke very well, but it is the priest of Shkodra who speaks badly.
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: What did he say?
Comrade Ramiz Alia: He had spoken about the efforts of the nation since the fascist regency. Albania was not created by one person, he said, but it is the efforts since the regency and the entire struggle of the people. Okay, I told you, keep it as a document.
Comrade Hekuran Isai: What about uncle?
Comrade Ramiz Alia: I don’t know what Hoxha had done.
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: Should we take this recording of your speech to the districts or should they come here? We have multiplied it.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: I know, Xelil, I’m worried that there are things that need to be removed.
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: He is better from the message (It is about the message that Comrade Ramiz Alia addressed to the people via television).
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Well, the message was to be published, and this conversation here on camera is on the party’s camera.
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: Yes, the Party needs it.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: The Party needs it, but people are getting used to us badly.
Comrade Xhelil Gjoni: No, it is not a matter of teaching; this is where the Party differentiates itself.
Comrade Ramiz Alia: Good. Send it to the circles then.
That’s how the meeting ended. Memorie.al